SB 155 Info

Go Sign The Petition!!

Rocket — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:23:45 GMT

For all our new members....go sign the petition. We are still fighting and this can help in the long run. Send the link to as many people as you can get and lets fight for our right to ride. http://www.PetitionOnline.com/svetrail/petition.html

Comments needed to support NEW ATV TRAIL PROPOSAL for Angelina Nat'l Forest

Mikeyboy_esq — Mon, 25 Jun 2007 19:28:46 GMT

FYI: I received the following memo in an email, and I just sent my comments in support of the proposed ATV trails in Angelina National Forest. Please take a minute to read the following memo and email your comments too! **************************************************** Date: June 22, 2007 Subject: Angelina Motorized Trail Project, 30-Day Notice and Comment To: Friends of the Angelina National Forest The Angelina National Forest (ANF) has been in the process of proposing a motorized trail for all-terrain vehicles (ATV) and dirt bikes. The primary need for this trail is to protect the forest resources and the publics? safety while providing opportunities for motorized recreation use. An environmental assessment (EA) was written and the decision was made to defer building a motorized trail in 2006. The decision was withdrawn and with additional input, a second EA has been developed. This EA is available for public review and comment and may be viewed on our website at http://www.fs.fed.us/r8/texas/planning/nepa_index.shtml. A paper copy of the EA can be requested from the Angelina National Forest at 111 Walnut Ridge, Zavalla, TX 75980, (936) 897-1068. Pursuant to 36 CFR 215, this is your opportunity to comment on the EA analysis for the proposed motorized vehicle trail on the Angelina National Forest. Two alternatives are addressed. The District Ranger has identified Alternative 2, the proposed action, as the preferred alternative. This alternative involves constructing, maintaining, and monitoring approximately 30 miles of OHV trail on the north side of Sam Rayburn Reservoir in San Augustine County, Texas. The comment period for this project was from April 30 through May 30, 2007. However, we have recently found out that an entire email list did not receive notification of this project and were not afforded the opportunity to comment on this trail proposal. Therefore, for this group, we have extended the 30-day notice and comment period until July 22, 2007. Based on the April 2006 Federal court decision in The Wilderness Society v. Rey, only those who have provided comments or otherwise expressed interest in this action by the close of the 30-day comment period will have eligibility for appeal purposes. When submitting comments, please provide the following information: 1) Your name and address. 2) Title of the Proposed Action: Angelina Motorized Trail Project. 3) Comments on this specific proposed action, along with supporting reasons that the Responsible Official should consider in reaching a decision. 4) Your signature or other means of identification. Each individual or representative from an organization submitting comments must either sign the comments or verify identity upon request. Written comments may be submitted to Eddie Taylor, District Ranger, Attn: Angelina Motorized Trail Project, Angelina National Forest, 111 Walnut Ridge, Zavalla, TX 75980. Hand-delivered comments may be received within our normal business hours of 8:00 am to 4:30 pm Monday through Friday, excluding holidays. Comments may be mailed electronically to our office in a common digital format such as an email message, plain text (.txt), rich text format (.rtf), or Word (.doc) at comments-southern-texas-angelina@fs.fed.us with Subject: Angelina Motorized Trail Project. Comments received in response to this solicitation, including names and addresses of those who comment, will be considered a part of the public record on this proposed action, and will be available for public inspection. Comments submitted anonymously will be accepted and considered; however, those who submit anonymous comments will not have standing to appeal the subsequent decision under 36 CFR Parts 215 or 217. Additionally, pursuant to 7 CFR 1.27 (d), any person may request the agency to withhold a submission from the public record by showing how the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) permits such confidentiality. Persons requesting such confidentiality should be aware that, under FOIA, confidentiality may be granted in only very limited circumstances, such as to protect trade secrets. The Forest Service will inform the requester of the agency?s decision regarding the request for confidentiality, and where the request is denied; the agency will return the submission and notify the requester that the comments may be resubmitted with or without name and address within 10 days. I appreciate your interest and participation in the process thus far. Sincerely, /s/ W. E. Taylor, Jr. WILLIAM E. TAYLOR District Ranger, Angelina/Sabine National Forest

My speech from the TPWD hearing held on Jan 26, 06

Mikeyboy_esq — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:01:38 GMT

I just googled my name and ran across the little speech I gave last January at the TPWD commissioner's hearing. I found it to be interesting...its not the most eloquent speech I ever gave, but I was a bit nervous speaking in front of 9 commissioners. As I recall, Bill Eaton and Richard Farmer from this forum also attended...Bill also gave a good speech...Richard Farmer was a bit too shy to speak, but he was there in a red shirt to show his support! Anyway, I thought I would post this speech in case anyone was interested... ******************** MR. KOWIS: My name is Mike Kowis. We have heard a lot of testimony today from cattle ranchers in the area of Ozona where the proposed park is being proposed to be located. We have heard testimony from TMTC officials. I am neither. I am just an everyday ATV enthusiast. My family and I enjoy riding and being out in the great outdoors, seeing wildlife, et cetera. My reason for being here today is to support the proposed park in Ozona. The reason it is such a big deal to me and my family is because, well, basically Senate Bill 155 that was passed two years ago. One thing that ? I was shocked when I discovered this, I believe the General Land Office estimates the river bottom area within Texas that is affected by Senate Bill 155 and bans off-road use in there now, the off-road area we are talking about, the river bottoms area is a million acres. That is a lot of land, a lot of riding area. And as a result, what you find is, instead of my family being able to drive ten minutes down the road to, in this case, I am from Conroe, Texas, which is close to Houston. The San Jacinto river, there is like, a lot of river bottom area, sand bars and whatnot that we used to frequent and have a great time out there. Now that is off limits, so we don't go. But the nearest place is, you know, we have to travel three or four hours to get to East Texas where there is a lot of private land, private parks and so forth. So this obviously cuts down on the recreation use that we get to enjoy. You know, the 3,300-acre park that is being proposed today, to my knowledge, this would be the first park that would be publicly funded since Senate Bill 155 banned ATV and other motorized use from a million acres. So we are talking about 3,300 acres versus a million acres that was taken away. You know this is a step in the right direction. It is by no means a resolution. But I think it is a step in the right direction. I would like to see not only this park get funded, but more parks in the future, perhaps in the greater Houston area. Because we do have a lot of, obviously a lot of ATV and off-road users in the Houston area. One last thing I would like to point out. When Senate Bill 155 was passed and took effect two years ago, it caught a lot of us off-roaders, you know, not by surprise, but it really disheartened us. Because we lost a million acres. That is ? you know, there is no way to get around that. That is really sad. We started with myself, with the help of Carol Smith who you heard from earlier, and Bill Eaton, we started a petition, just to see what the ? if we were the only ones. And we discovered, sure enough the petition is alive and well, even a year and a half after we started it. And we haven't even pushed the petition in over a year. We have 5,000 signatures, half of which are online. And you can read the comments. It is amazing. You know, the things that I am saying today is the things you see in the petition. And that is families want more areas to ride and use ? safe, legal, riding areas. And that is the bottom line. Thank you for your time. COMMISSIONER FITZSIMONS: Thank you.

Brandon

Rocket — Thu, 11 May 2006 12:26:32 GMT

Can you have this default to show all the threads and not just the last 30 days?

Where's the thread to the SB155 Petition?

Mikeyboy_esq — Wed, 10 May 2006 16:40:09 GMT

What happened to the thread about the SB155 Petition??? Can someone please repost it here?

US Forest Service Bans ATV use by Disabled Hunters in TX! Now that totally SUX!!!

Mikeyboy_esq — Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:47:55 GMT

August 10, 2005 Public Affairs Officer ? Gay Ippolito -- 936-639-8569 Public Affairs Specialist ? Ernie Murray ? 936-639-8562 Contact: Patrol Captain David Norsworthy ? 936-639-8530 OHV/ATV ACCESS TO NATIONAL FORESTS IN TEXAS RESTRICTED (Lufkin, TX) -- The use of off-highway vehicles (OHV) and all terrain vehicles (ATV) by hunters with disabilities will no longer be permitted on closed roads in the Sam Houston National Forest or Wildlife Management Areas of the National Forests in Texas, according to Patrol Captain David Norsworthy. ?In the past, we have allowed hunters with disabilities to use OHVs and ATVs on selected closed roads in the Sam Houston National Forest even though the use of these vehicles is prohibited to the general public,? Norsworthy said. ?There are many areas still accessible to hunters with disabilities in the National Forests in Texas, and they should check with the ranger offices for those locations.? The change in policy is effective immediately for the 2005 hunting season. Section 504 of the Rehabilitation Act of 1973 does not allow exceptions for such use by a person with a disability in areas where OHV/ATV use has been prohibited. For questions concerning access policy, contact Patrol Captain David Norsworthy at the Forest Supervisor?s office at 936-639-8530.

US FOREST SERVICE Issues FINAL RULE for Motorized Recreation in Nat'l Forests

Mikeyboy_esq — Wed, 02 Nov 2005 22:26:33 GMT

USDA FOREST SERVICE RELEASES FINAL RULE FOR MOTORIZED RECREATION IN NATIONAL FORESTS & GRASSLANDS New Rule will Balance Best Possible Care of Land with Public?s Enjoyment of Recreational Vehicles through Local Collaboration WASHINGTON , Nov. 2, 2005 ? U.S. Department of Agriculture Forest Service today announced a new regulation for recreational motor vehicle use in national forests and grasslands which will forge a sustainable system of routes and areas designated for motorized use in the future. "OHV and other motorized vehicles are fun and exciting ways to experience national forests and we?ve seen dramatic increases in their popularity in the last decade," said Forest Service Chief Dale Bosworth. "Land managers will use the new rule to continue to work with motorized sports enthusiasts, conservationists, state and local officials and others to provide responsible motorized recreational experiences in national forests and grasslands for the long run." The new travel management policy requires each national forest and grassland to identify and designate those roads, trails and areas that are open to motor vehicle use. Local units will seek public input and coordinate with federal, state, county and other local governmental entities as well as tribal governments before any decision is made on a particular road, trail or area. Unplanned, user-created routes will be considered at the local level during the designation process. The agency expects that it will take up to four years to complete the designation process for all 155 national forests and 20 grasslands. Each unit will also publish a motor vehicle use map. The final rule addresses the more than 80,000 comments received on last year?s proposed rule. Most comments strongly supported the concept of designating routes and areas for motor vehicle use. Once the designation process is complete, motor vehicle use off these routes and outside those areas (cross-country travel) will be prohibited. This prohibition will not affect over-snow vehicles, such as snowmobiles. The rule will impact motor vehicle use on roads, trails and areas under Forest Service management. State, county or other public roads within national forest and grassland boundaries will not be included in the designation process. Some national forests and grasslands already have established systems of roads, trails and areas designed and managed for motorized use. This rule does not require those units to change existing plans. In 2002, the Forest Service had more than 214 million visits, with about the same number driving through just to enjoy the scenery. More than 200,000 miles of forest roads are currently open to off-highway vehicle (OHV) use as well as more than 36,000 miles of trails. In addition, national forest recreation has become the biggest contributor to many local economies, including rural communities. Recreational motor vehicles include OHVs, all-terrain vehicles (ATVs), off-highway motorcycles (OHMs) and off-road vehicles (ORVs), such as 4-by-4 trucks or Jeeps. A copy of the new rule can be found at www.fs.fed.us.

Letter From The Governor

DING-A-LING — Mon, 12 Sep 2005 20:05:02 GMT

Old Thread And The Letter Has Expired

New Federal Report shows growth in OHV Use

Mikeyboy_esq — Tue, 26 Jul 2005 22:08:40 GMT

NEWS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact: Don Amador Phone: 925-625-6287 Date: July 26, 2005 NEW FEDERAL REPORT SHOWS GROWTH AND POPULARITY OF OHV RECREATION POCATELLO, ID - A national trail-based recreation group says a new federal report on off-highway vehicle (OHV) recreation in the United States shows popularity of motorized recreation among diverse ethnic communities. The BlueRibbon Coalition (BRC) says that the study published by the USDA Forest Service?s Southern Research Station shows OHV use is widely recognized now as one of the fastest growing outdoor activities. The report was prepared for the Forest Service in relation to a National OHV policy initiative expected to be finalized in August 2005. The policy will direct forests to designate roads, trails and areas available for OHV use. The source of the data is the National Survey on Recreation and Environment (NSRE). The NSRE is a collaborative project between the Forest Service, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the University of Georgia and the University of Tennessee. The study showed the proportion of people age 16 and older who said they participated in OHV recreation increased from 16.8 percent in 1999-2000 to 23.8 percent in 2003-2004. It also shows that Hispanic participation grew at the fastest percentage rate, more than doubling between 1999 and 2004. The African-American participation growth rate also outpaced that of Whites, growing 50 percent compared to 36 percent for Whites. NSRE data also noted that BRC and other groups may have different positions, but they typically share the concern that OHV use be carried out in a responsible manner. Don Amador, Western Representative for the BRC commented; ?This report shows what many of us have known for a long time; that OHV recreation is growing and is popular among all Americans.? Amador said the growth in popularity of OHV use is no mystery to the estimated 36 million OHV enthusiasts in America. ?OHV recreation is a wonderful way to view and enjoy America?s backcountry.? Amador stressed that this report should send a clear message to Congress, the Administration, and agencies such as the Forest Service that increased management and funding is needed in order to help land managers better provide for this popular activity. Amador added; ?I am proud the study recognized the effort that BRC has undertaken to promote and protect responsible OHV recreation on public lands. This report is of critical importance and will serve as a useful tool for all land managers.? The report can be found at: http://www.fs.fed.us/recreation/programs/ohv/OHV_final_report.pdf # # # # # # # The BlueRibbon Coalition is a national recreation group that champions responsible use of public and private lands, and encourages individual environmental stewardship. It represents over 10,000 individual members and 1,200 organization and business members, for a combined total of over 600,000 recreationists nationwide. 1-800-258-3742. www.sharetrails.org

Meeting in Lufkin?

BigDozer66 — Sat, 18 Jun 2005 03:09:52 GMT

I saw in one of the other threads about an upcoming meeting in Lufkin. Does anyone know any more info on this meeting? :Thinking Thanks, BigDozer66

meeting last nite

DING-A-LING — Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:02:10 GMT

:Dontknow :Dontknow

Another meeting

DING-A-LING — Mon, 30 May 2005 18:42:23 GMT

:Thinking :)

Who's the BMF Now?

BMF'n Griz — Sat, 28 May 2005 08:25:16 GMT

I hate SB 155.............oh well that didn't seem to help any.

Important Meeting Tonight 5-19-05

DING-A-LING — Wed, 18 May 2005 19:53:54 GMT

IF YOU CAN MAKE THIS MEETING PLEASE PM ME IT'S IN KATY Please distribute this info ..... Who: National Forestry Service, TX Motorized Trails Coalition, Step. F. Austin University Date: 5/19/05 Time: 7 PM Where: Eagle Lodge 5508 Nolda Houston TX IH10 west, exit 765A Katy Please make an effort to go this this meeting, it's important. It is in regards to opening over 60 miles of ATV-M/C trails in Angelina NF. Put your best game face on. Be polite, ask intelligent questions, let them know what you want and what you are willing to do for it. Talk to the TMTC person there - Leslie Ramirez. Tell her Carol sent you. Thanks!! Carol

Readthis

DING-A-LING — Tue, 17 May 2005 14:46:36 GMT

All, SB 1311 has now passed through the Senate and it's committee. It has also passed through the House and it's committee. It is now going before the House for a floor vote. I am expecting that it will pass, thanks (in a large part) to your letters to your representatives in support of the bill. I would like to ask now, that you send a letter to our governor, Rick Perry, asking that when the bill comes before him that he sign it and expressing appreciation for his support of this bill through the process. Explain to him that this is a family sport, that we need more managed places to go, that that is the environmentally responsible way to meet the needs of the OHV community. Thanks to you all for your support of this bill......we certainly couldn't have come this far without your participation. It just goes to show that if you become involved in the process, things can, and do, happen. Active participation is the key. We, the OHV community of Texas, need to support each other and stay active in the political process, so that we can continue to make positive things happen. With my most sincere appreciation, RICK PERRY E-MAIL ADDRESS www.governor.state.tx.us/contact

''Extra Extra Read All About It''

DING-A-LING — Fri, 06 May 2005 16:20:12 GMT

HOUSE BILL 2897 HAS PASSED COMMITTEE AND SHOULD GO TO THE FULL FLOOR NEXT WEEK NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO CALL OR E-MAIL YOUR STATE REPS. THIS THE FIRST BILL THAT DEALS WITH ONLY OHV VOTE YES

Results

DING-A-LING — Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:38:02 GMT

Just thought I would let you folks know that the meeting we had last fall and the meeting I went to last Aug. at tpwd along with our ATV rally in Austin and a meeting I went to in CONROE has been heard. As a result there are things working in Austin and locally that could be of major interest to all ATV riders. I can not say where other than close-by. There are people still working for all of us Be sure to contact your STATE REP. with a nice thank you for working so hard for us.

Food For Thought

DING-A-LING — Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:25:44 GMT

March 31, 2005 Government Relations Office Texas OHV Statistics Texas? rank among the 50 states is shown in parentheses. 2004 Texas New Retail Sales 2004 U.S. New Retail Sales Off-Highway Off-Highway Motorcycles ATVs Total Motorcycles ATVs Total 14,180 (2nd) 43,319 (2nd) 57,499 (2nd) 312,558 812,970 1,125,528 Source: MIC Retail Sales Report, based on actual sales registrations from Arctic Cat, Bombardier, Honda, Kawasaki, KTM, Polaris, Suzuki, and Yamaha. Off-highway includes dual motorcycles. 2003 Estimated Vehicle Population Off-Highway Motorcycles *ATVs Total Texas 126,400 (2nd) * 326,400 (1st) 452,800 (2nd) Total U.S. 2,412,000 *5,600,000 8,012,000 *Note: ATV population estimate is for year 2001 which is the latest available from CPSC. Source: Motorcycles - Motorcycle Industry Council, 2003 Motorcycle Statistical Annual. Source: ATVs - U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission, (2001 All-Terrain Vehicle ATV) Exposure Survey. 2004 Estimated Vehicle Usage It is estimated that just under 3 persons operate each vehicle at some time during the year. This would result in approximately 1.3 million persons being users of all-terrain vehicles and off-highway motorcycles in Texas. Source: Motorcycle Industry Council, Inc.

TPWD Report to the State Legislature

Mikeyboy_esq — Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:57:24 GMT

Under SB155, the TPWD was required to identify potential areas for new off-road riding parks located within TX and then submit a report regarding the same to the state legislature by Sept 2004. Below is the report that they submitted. ************************* Texas Parks and Wildlife Identification and Development of Motor Vehicle Recreation Sites Report to the Texas Legislature Overview: During the process that resulted in the creation of Senate Bill (SB) 155 it became clear that many citizens of Texas enjoy participating in various off-highway motorized recreation activities. However, the supply of trails and areas available in Texas for the public to participate in this form of outdoor recreation are relatively few. The effect of SB 155 in closing most public streambeds to this type of use significantly reduced the supply of riding areas and has greatly increased the pressure of the few remaining areas available to the public. To address this high demand - low supply situation, the Texas Legislature, in SB 155, directed Parks and Wildlife to seek outside funding to identify and facilitate the development of motor vehicle recreation sites. Funding Sources: The only identified funding source to create or improve off-road motorized recreation trails is the Federal Recreational Trails Fund. This fund is included in the Federal Highway Bill and comes from the federal gasoline taxes generated by off-road motorized recreationists when they purchase gasoline for their machines. Currently this program is funded at $50 million annually nationwide, with Texas' share at $2.4 million. The Act that created this program stipulates that at least 30% (about $700,000) of the funds go toward motorized trail projects. Since its inception in 1991, this fund has been administered by the Parks and Wildlife Department in Texas. Federal funds can reimburse up to 80% of an approved trail project. The Department annually issues a call for proposals with application due June 1st. Government and not for profit entities are eligible to apply for funding assistance through this program. Over the past two years the following motorized trail projects have been approved for funding assistance: * County of El Paso - improvements to San Felipe Park near Fabens. * City of Trophy Club - improvements to Marshall Creek OHV Park. * City of Lubbock - new 4-wheel drive test track and motocross area. * Texas Motorized Trail Coalition, Inc. - improvements to Barnwell Mountain OHV area near Gilmer, Texas. * Texas Motorized Trail Coalition, Inc. - acquisition of 1200 acres in Uvalde County. This acquisition fell through because potential impacts to adjacent landowners and problems financing the 20% required match. In most years, the Department does not receive enough motorized trail proposals to satisfy the 30% minimum funding requirement. The program provides flexibility to carry-over unobligated funds for one year, and in some years has accepted and funded motorized trail projects submitted by federal agencies in Texas to satisfy this requirement. Constraints: Even with the availability of 80% Federal funding for motorized recreational trail projects, the following constraints appear to hinder creating new off-road motorized recreation sites in Texas. Outdoor recreation opportunities for off-road motorized use have not been traditionally provided for by state and local parks and recreation providers in Texas. Park and recreation providers are reluctant to embark on new endeavors at a time when most are facing financial challenges in maintaining existing park sites and services. The 20% match requirement has not been a constraint in improving existing sites, but is the primary constraint in acquiring new sites for off-road recreational trail opportunities. Currently, Parks and Wildlife Department and a few statewide not for profit organizations appear to be best suited to help create new off-road recreation opportunities. However, this type of recreation use requires significant acreage to provide a useful experience and provide buffers to reduce impacts to adjacent landowners and natural and cultural resources. Parcels that have been considered for acquisition have been priced in the $1 to $3 million range. Currently, there are no state funds available for the Department to finance the 20% match and non-profit organizations typically don't have that level of financing. The Texas Motorized Trail Coalition, Inc. (TMTC) was able to acquire the Barnwell Mountain area because it was a distressed piece of property and the owner was willing to enter into a bargain sale, essentially donating 20% of the land value which covered the match. Currently TMTC has identified the San Antonio and Houston areas as high priority for land acquisition. They have not been able to find a suitable parcel with an owner willing to consider a bargain sale, and may never find such an arrangement in these high growth areas. Future operational and maintenance costs are a barrier to opening new motorized parks. While the federal funds can pay for 80% of acquisition and development costs, there are no funding assistance programs to help defray operational costs. Research and Identification of Potential Sites: Parks and Wildlife contracted with the Department of Recreation, Park and Tourism Sciences at Texas A & M University to identify issues, planning efforts, user profiles and how other states are addressing off-highway vehicle recreation needs and develop recommendations for future action. Recommendations in the report centered on future research needs, identified the Parks and Wildlife Department as the government agency best suited to provide OHV opportunities and identified potential state funding sources. A new registration fee for off-highway motorized recreational vehicles, and a partial transfer of unclaimed state gasoline tax generated by off-highway vehicles were the two potential sources of state funding identified in the report. Copies of the study's report are available on request. In the near future, Parks and Wildlife will contract with a state university to update a statewide inventory of recreational trails in Texas and make this information available to the public. The Department has also sought input from OHV users to develop a list of criteria of attributes to guide the identification of potential land acquisitions. The Department has assisted the Texas Motorized Trail Coalition in evaluating potential sites for acquisition. The nature of motorized trail activities generates significant real and perceived impacts to natural and cultural resource and to adjacent land uses and their owners. However, user groups consistently express a desire for motorized trail opportunities to be located within a few hours drive from their home. Balancing this desire while assuring impacts are addressed significantly reduces the number of potential sites suitable to provide motorized trail opportunities. Other Department Actions: During 2004, the TPWD Recreation Grants Branch conducted public input meetings around the state to solicit input into all of the recreation grant programs administered by the Department. One recommendation generated from these meetings is that private motorized trail providers will be allowed to apply and receive grants through the Federal Recreational Trail Fund. It was recognized that private 4-wheel drive, motorcycle and all-terrain vehicle park providers are important in addressing the public demand for these opportunities. It is also an acknowledgement that users of these private sites help generate the federal gasoline tax on which the Recreational Trail Fund is based. TPWD has partnered with the City of Austin, the Texas Trails Network (a Texas non-profit) and American Trails, Inc. (a national nonprofit) to host the 17th National Trails Conference in Austin in late October. This is the first time this national event is being held in Texas. Trail experts and providers from around the country will share their experiences and stimulate ideas for park providers in Texas. Parks and Wildlife will continue to work with interested citizens, user groups and recreation providers to seek innovative partnerships and financing to provide new off-road recreational vehicle opportunities in Texas.

What I See

DING-A-LING — Sun, 05 Dec 2004 22:21:31 GMT

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New Press

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New Question....Spring Creek

Bruty750 — Mon, 01 Nov 2004 06:10:05 GMT

While going over some of the SB 155 and Spring Creek issues, I was wondering if anyone had thought about this: Even if SB 155 got reversed, we would still be trespassing on private property (Spring Creek). What does anyone have to say to this? I loved riding SC, but face it, we were still trespassing. All we were doing is parking at SCATVPark, then riding on private property. Sure, it would no longer be illegal to ride in the water, but as soon as we climb the bank, were trespassing. What happens when all the landowners get tired of it, like they were right before they started enforcing SB 155? I was looking at some older threads mentioning a 1000 acre park is not enough...Well, what would Spring Creek be if we weren't trespassing? I don't think it would be even close to 1000 acres, this includes State owned property, just because the State of Texas or the County owns it, does not make it public. It is just personal belief, but I don't think SB 155 being reversed is going to be our biggest fear when it comes to riding SC. :dontknow What do you think? :confused:

To Night Montgomery Comm Cort Meeting You Need To Be There

DING-A-LING — Thu, 28 Oct 2004 15:07:13 GMT

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Press

DING-A-LING — Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:46:50 GMT

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Questions For Lawmakers

DING-A-LING — Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:00:53 GMT

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